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I think it’s the opposite. The other grey guns need to be at that rattler 1 level. That would nerf free load outs and create a gap to the green guns.
This. There needs to be an incentive to bring in even a t2 gun.
Anvil and Torro are T2 guns?
Came here to say exactly this- the issue isnt how bad the rattler is but how insanely good the other level 1 greys are. Kettle and sticher in particular need a serious nerf when they're unupgraded.
Don't nerf them, make them green and take them out of free loadouts.
Add a clunky SMG and a clunky light ammo AR that are then available in free loadouts.
This is honestly a really good call.
As they are now, they're very fun weapons. It'd be a shame to lose them. Just up their rarity instead to balance it out, since everyone is complaining that no rare guns are good/fu n
The fully upgraded ones can hopefully remain how they are now. The issue is with how good they are at even level 1. They are still extremely basic to the point of starting gray.
You could just nerf them in ways that dont effect them as weapons you bring in and only nerf free loadouts, make them have less ammo ect at level 1, scaling to what they are currently by level 4 kinda like the rattler.
they shouldn't have 4 attachment slots that let you shore up every downside of them for cheap
Why ? Having great grey weapons is awesome
Why would we nerf all the guns instead of buffing medium and heavy shields? They're currently useless and provide negligible extra protection for the higher costs.
Nerfing everything into pea shooters should not be the first idea we jump to
Medium shields need more durability at the very least
Medium shields have 75% more durability than light shield.
Light - 166 ehp, 200 damage taken before breaking
Medium shield - 173 ehp, 350 damage taken before breaking
Heavy shield - 209 ehp, 400 damage taken before breaking
https://arcdamagecalculator.tiiny.site/
This is a common misconception and is not accurate.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cxKMsVo8dg4
I highly recommend watching this video. Depending on what you're facing as a threat the different Shields has very different effectiveness. It is true that in close range combat with a stitcher the difference is relatively small. But against a multitude of other weapons and explosives the medium and heavy Shields actually have huge advantages.
Medium and Heavy shields aren't useless, they are both way better than the light.
That's the same difference lol. Deal less damage vs take less damage.
Why not? Grey weapons deal too much damage frankly. They own both arcs as well as players within mere split seconds.
It makes buffing higher tier weapons extremely tricky because we don't want 1 shot mechanics in this game.
Buffing medium and heavy shields is a good start, but grey weapons definitely also need a nerf to be able to give higher tier weapons the breathing room to even be better.
Why not both?
So instead you think buffing shields won’t make guns feel like peashooters? Nerf guns or buff shield will essentially have the same effect
Cause buffing the shields wouldn't change the fact that grey guns are basically as effective as purple guns while being pretty much free. I agree shields should be buffed a bit, but sticher and kettle need a bif of a nerf. Kettle needs a fire rate cap and sticher probably needs lower firerate (description even says it has a low rof)
I think we can meet in the middle and make them all ~15 rounds or around there lol
Just lvl1 stitcher. Keep other levels as is.
Yeah as a pvp oriented player, I 100% agree. Grays being so powerful is not good for the health of the game.
Lol if you die to someone in this game you simply got outplayed.
This is the correct answer but all the free kitter shitters in this sub don't want to be required to loot in an extraction shooter
I find it rather fascinating that people want to buff the rattler because it can't kill with one clip, but when it comes to the bobcat, an epic gun, it is fine for some reason.
Been saying this to my friends who say the rattler needs a buff. Nah, that guns lvl 1 capabilities should be right where the other lvl 1 Grey guns should be. Or at least close too. Instead we have the stitcher which can out pace a bobcat 4 at lvl 1. Gun balance is whack af right now.
Exactly, no grey level 1 base gun should be able to down a raider in one clip.
I'm looking at you stitcher and kettler.
Or any penalty for those who use the free kit
All other lvl 1 grey guns should be nerfed, and rattler lvl 4 should be buffed with a 3-round reload.
100% this.
Because the insane level of competitiveness that a completely free no-risk loadout brings to the table is fanning hyper-aggression in the lobbies. Take a close look at the most violent murder-hobos in every lobby. A good 90% of them are freekits with nothing to lose and everything to gain. Freekits should be a barebones welfare option that you barely use to scrape together enough loot for a proper custom kit.
You can craft the. In raid with a perk
Exactly this. The rattler 1 is where grey weapons should be at. Unable to kill even light shields with a single clip.
The second this happens, people will wanna bring gear into raids to participate in PvP.
Free loadouts should have absolutely no chance in PvP. None whatsoever. Not even from behind. Like just no.
Right? You should be terrified of getting pop’s with a free load out. They are way too viable as is.