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Restore AllHide UnarchivedThe problem is that it doesn't work. They claim that trans women are just men competing in women's sports, when that isn't true. Not only that but he's clearly not trans to begin with. Also it's a shitty "joke"
Could you point me to some sources I can read about trans women competing in sports? Because at face value it does seem unfair, but what do I know.
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Thanks! I'll give them a read.
You're welcome!
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Restore AllHide UnarchivedThe short answer as I understand it, please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, is that testosterone absolutely has an impact on muscle growth and development, and you lose a lot of strength when you start taking T-blockers. This is true for almost, if not all, of your muscles. So AMABs taking T-blockers and AFABs taking testosterone will relatively quickly fit more in line with the muscle structure of their desired gender. I'm not trying to say all women are weak, all men are strong, that just isn't true, but it is true that men and women have different muscle structures.
Also, one of the big reasons that sports separate men and women is not their ability but the way the sport works. Some sports, gymnastics, for example, are literally just different sports for men and for women. Some sports like chess are separated to encourage women to play rather than men or women being naturally better.
This is a pretty good explanation! If I may, though, keep in mind that trans people ARE their "desired" gender, they're going through measures to more closely match their desired sex. It's worth pointing out because some people don't know the two are different. Otherwise this is a good summation
I understand that trans people are their desired gender, but words are difficult, and I wanted to be clear about what I meant while doing my best not to offend anyone. I am CIS straight man, and I am not particularly interested or active in trans discourse outside of "I want them to have rights and will vote in their favor," so sometimes the correct terminology eludes me.
That's fair. I just wanted to make the distinction, as it's very common for the two terms to get confused. You didn't do anything wrong, lol, no one's going to come for you just because you said gender instead of sex, I just wanted to point it out for the sake of those that don't know. No harm done, no issues created.
I don't know the difference between gender & sex tbh, it's been explained to me before, but I just can not remember, like how I don't know if the alphabet has 24 or 26 letters. My brain just won't learn it.
if it helps, sex is the part you have sex with
No, it used to be mixed in chess, then mysoginystic men started crying like babies over being beaten by women and it was changed.
Oh, I didn't know that, that's way funnier.
Skeet shooting had the same thing happen as well, misogynistic men are terrified of competing with women
Maybe it's too anecdotal but here's been my experience as a trans woman after a year of hormone replacement therapy, and obviously results may vary per person, but:
I started at 41 years old, 6'2 and 250lbs. I am now 6'1 and 220lbs. I have lost most of my muscle mass despite working out regularly. I used to be able to throw a desk across a room and now I can barely lift it. I need help opening a jar of pickles. My endurance is about the same. I've gone from a size 12 in mens shoes to a size 10 1/2. My frame has shrunk in general. My body fat distribution has changed, including noticeable changes to my face. My eyes have widened. My skin has become softer. My facial hair growth has slowed down and become finer and I stopped growing back and chest hair. I've developed tanner stage 2 breast tissue and my areola size increased. I get pms like symptoms every month or so. My head hair has grown back and become thicker. My libido has changed quite a lot, I no longer get spontaneous erections, my testicles have atrophied, my prostate has shrunk and I can no longer ejaculate, and I find different things arousing than I used to. My hips have tilted and widened and I had to adjust to walking differently. My sense of smell has become more keen and I get cold a lot easier. Also my body odor has changed. Emotionally I feel more at peace and socially more in tune, I feel less aggressive and competitive in general. I still have a lot of the same Hobby's and interests but have also developed some new ones that are traditionally considered more feminine. Unfortunately my voice has not changed due to thickened vocal chords during puberty but I am making progress with voice training to sound more feminine.
At this point I definitely feel like I'm more female than male and would absolutely get clobbered if I had to physically compete with men, I would much rather be in women's spaces than men's because I feel uncomfortable in a men's bathroom or locker room due to my female secondary sex charicteristics, and since I'm fairly passable as a woman I dont want to be outed as trans due to safety reasons.
Hope this helps you gain some perspective.
That lines up almost exactly with my ex girlfriends experience with HRT, Thank you for commenting with your perspective, Toilet Lord.
Haha yeah that was all probably TMI but I guess I just wanted to let people know that even just hrt alone is more than just a couple little things and can really cause some significant changes in a relatively short period of time and why we trans femmes would want to be in women's sports among other things.
As someone who isn't trans, I think it's important for people who are comfortable sharing their story with to do so, to help people who may struggling with it. I have a good friend who didn't transition for years specifically because they didn't know what to expect from HRT.
https://www.outsports.com/2024/4/12/24091267/transgender-athletes-study-research-science-sports-governing-bodies/
that's very interesting, thank you.
Minus all those sources we are all equal until puberty. And if estrogen is used on an amab person they will loose muscle mass.
Trans sports teams are still an option.
There might not be enough trans athletes for that.
Well clearly there's enough for them to be a transphobe hot topic 😅
1, that's how many it takes for people to get upset
Ayyyy, you got the joke.
Damn thought i was gonna get an r/woooosh outtta that one 🤣
There might be more transphobes than transsexuals even
Medically transitioned?
Slightly different to transgender bro.
Wikipedia uses the term transsexuals, though.
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Okay
Curious why they didn’t use a picture of an actual trans woman 🤔
it wouldnt fit their "trans women are obviously men" narrative because most trans women who are far into their transition are able to pass as cisgender.
Yep
Medical procedures have come a long way, you can barely tell the difference nowadays.