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API Update: Continued access to our API for moderators(self.modnews)
submitted 2 years, 7 months ago* (edited 2 hours, 13 minutes after) by pl00h to /r/modnews (268.7k)
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Hi there, mods! We’re here with some updates on a few of the topics raised recently about Reddit’s D...

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[–]ExcitingishUsername163 points2 years, 7 months ago

What about anti-spam and anti-abuse tools, and mods, that need to access mature content communities other than those they have moderator status in?

Our bot relies on being able to do this to detect spambots, and both our bot and mod alike need to be able to see the content of communities that are linked to or cross-posted from, to ensure those communities are legitimate and legal. Aside from breaking our anti-spam, anti-CSAM, and safety tools, how will anyone ever be able to moderate mature content communities in the vacuum you intend to create?

Additionally, many other communities rely on similar bots to exclude users of mature content communities from communities which serve minors as they often present a real safety risk. What are communities that need these functions to do when you shut off our ability to see huge swaths of Reddit?

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[–][deleted]42 points2 years, 7 months ago* (edited 5 months, 3 weeks after)

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[–]TrotskiKazotski2 points2 years, 7 months ago

reddit was an escape from all the shitty social media sites but now it’s turning into another corporate information feeding and advertising site. It’s a shame because i’ve been using reddit to participate in hobbies and talk to other people for 5 years now but i’m never using it again once apollo goes dark. Their official app at least used to be somewhat useable but now it’s a mindless doomscroll instagram/twitter/tiktok clone

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[–]PM_MeYourEars40 points2 years, 7 months ago

Yes this is gonna cause issues to put it mildly. Automod itself goes down a lot and mods rely on other tools most of the time since they have things reddit doesnt and are more reliable.

If this happens, I can only imagine how unreliable automod will end up with the additional communities it will need to over see. But again, it lacks many many needed tools that mods have been building themselves since reddit doesnt add things we have asked for, for years.

Like the ability to have a third pinned comment, but thats just one example off the top of my head. Theres a sub somewhere (r/ideasfortheadmins) full of things like this, things we have asked for, and never got.

Also wasnt reddit just saying nsfw content is welcome here after the whole imgur thing. Whats up with that.

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[–]HudsonGTV2 points2 years, 7 months ago

Spambots = they can claim to investors that they have a higher active user count

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[–]pl00h-57 points2 years, 7 months ago

This change should not affect moderation bots, i.e. submissions, retrievals etc should function as they do today. If you discover your bot is impacted, please reach out here. Currently, this change affects sexually explicit content displayed in large-scale applications. Note that moderators logged into third party apps will still be able to access sexually explicit content for subreddits they moderate, provided the app passes along the moderators’ user credentials along with the relevant API requests.

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[–]BicyclingBro130 points2 years, 7 months ago

How generous that you'll allow us to continue moderating NSFW content with the third party apps that will stop existing because of the exorbitant API cost.

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[–]ExcitingishUsername75 points2 years, 7 months ago

That is not what I'm asking at all, and I don't know how to test if my bot is affected til the changes stop returning the data it relies on. This does not impact just us, it impacts every mod of any mature community on the site who uses any bot or 3P app; as well as anyone who might need to protect their non-mature communities from users who post in mature ones.

Large-scale applications include all 3rd-party apps, do they not? And you keep saying "able to access sexually explicit content for subreddits they moderate", when my question was very specifically about needing to access that content for subreddits we do NOT moderate.

Reddit communities aren't total vacuums, communities are heavily interlinked; it's a social networking site, is it not? How are mods of mature communities supposed to moderate cross-posts and links to content to and from elsewhere on the site when we cannot see those other communities? We just cross our fingers and hope those links aren't taking our users to scams, disturbing, and/or illegal content? How do we defend against brigading when we cannot see where it is coming from? How do we exclude doxxing gangs, paedophiles, and other dangerous users from our communities when we can't see where else they are posting? Even trivial things like seeing if a link to a subreddit is spam or not become impossible when neither your 3rd-party mobile app nor bot cannot see what that link goes to, and Reddit does not seem to have any understanding of how moderation of mature communities on their own platform actually works.

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[–]dehue32 points2 years, 7 months ago

Note that moderators logged into third party apps will still be able to access sexually explicit content for subreddits they moderate,

That's not how moderating works. If I want to check if a specific user is posting comments in bad faith and deserves a ban I check their profile to see whether or not they comment and post nsfw content in other communities. If I can't see their nsfw posts outside the sub that I moderate there is no way for me to differentiate between users who have good intentions but posted a badly worded joke vs. trolls and spammers that normally post in porn subs and have dick pics or onlyfans links on their profile. Taking away the mods ability to see a user's entire history including nsfw content outside the sub will make it difficult to identify spammers, trolls and creeps.

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[–]midir23 points2 years, 7 months ago

for subreddits they moderate

Holy shit you literally don't have a fucking clue how moderation works. Listen to me you imbecile:

YOU ARE IMMINENTLY KILLING YOUR COMPANY.

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[–]IppyCaccy9 points2 years, 7 months ago

It won't become facebook, it will become myspace or slashdot. Or maybe geocities.

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[–]vermithrax1 point2 years, 7 months ago

I agree with the point you are trying to make here, but please don't be so disrespectful. Insulting people isn't a good way to effect change, and the person you are talking to is trying and has a history of doing so, even if you don't agree with their approaches.

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[–]Bandeau4 points2 years, 7 months ago

Copying this from elsewhere for visibility.

I write a bot that scans a submitters post and comment history, removing a post if the user has links to sites like OF. This helps keep spam down in the NSFW subreddits the bot is active in. Will this sort of spammy link scanning still be possible under the new (NSFW) API restrictions?

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[–]Danpei4 points2 years, 7 months ago

Fine, I’ll just find a new place to masturbate.

The official app makes my dick go soft.

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