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“AI doesn’t produce a profit”(self.csMajors)
Software engineers should stick to coding and stop making these naive business takes about how “AI i...
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What a grounded and nom-delusional take! How can people not see that consumers will be willing to pay 1000$ per month for llm service so the companies can be profitable...
The question to me is, will the cost to continue to train the models and pay for the tokens outweigh the increased productivity. The tools are nice sure, but I don’t feel 10x faster so if it costs me 10x to go 2x, is that an investment the business wants to make? We won’t really know until they start actually charging you for the service.
I don't think these tools have a future in a b2b setting. At least not with llms. Maybe if they find a different more deterministic model to swap in it may have a future there.
These tools have a value in the consumer market where people don't really ponder if what they are paying for is "worth it" as long as it's cool and shiny.
There are plenty of uses for an LLM beyond a chat bot.
Automatic classification/tagging of text data for one. Gone are the days of having sentiment analysis tools + interns/juniors/mturk tagging. Add some error handling and crossvalidation and you've replaced that junior task forever
Maybe, but how do you know that your accuracy is high with an llm without human in a loop for problems without ground truths? We use llm as a judge in the llm responses and sample a human in the loop still. But I think it still isn’t really scalable for many problems.
Bro what’re you talking about. Cursor + Claude Code are already being used by pretty much any half-decent tech company rn. Pretty much impossible to compete in startup space without AI dev tools, unless you’re in some niche industry.
Saying they don’t have a future in b2b shows you are quite out of touch with reality.
Your take tells me you don't have much experience with software engineering or with large scale applications.
If English were clear and precise enough, we wouldn't have needed programming language in the first place.
You are ignorant and have no idea what you’re talking about. Talking out your ass about stuff you haven’t actually worked with. I’ve worked at big tech, startups, mid-sized companies, and been a solo founder. The current AI tools would have been productivity multipliers at any of those companies.
Wtf are you talking about with your English language vs programming language nonsense? If we had the tech to build English language programming languages at the outset, we would’ve. The only reason it wasn’t like that before was cause the tech wasn’t developed enough yet.
We’ve gone from binary to assembly to compiled to interpreted languages. Natural language is the obvious next step.
Obviously current tech doesn’t allow natural language to be the building blocks of apps - no one’s claiming that. But actual software engineers using these AI tools go from 10x engineers to 20-100x engineers by communicating using natural language and having the AI handle the lower language programming - it’s literally already happening.
ok junior. Good look with your internship hunt.
Ok boomer gl getting replaced by devs who actually upskill and adapt to evolving technologies in the TECH industry. Your mentality is why ageism exists in this industry. If less older devs had mentalities like yours, ageism wouldn’t be so prevalent. And if you’re not an older dev, then yikes. Having this much of a dinosaur mentality while you’re still young is not a good look for the rest of your career.
Ah, yes. Playing a sophisticated linguistic roulette now classifies as a skill these days.
really ageist industry when seniors do all the work and get jobs overnight making 3x the juniors. oh wait new grads rn make 0 or work at wendy’s sorry, such a bad industry for experienced older devs my bad, the new college grads will replace older devs by flipping burgers
Natural language processing is over 70 years old now, so "The only reason it wasn’t like that before was cause the tech wasn’t developed enough yet." is a completely delusional take. similarly - "The current AI tools would have been productivity multipliers at any of those companies." is true only until they start hallucinating, and then it's directly the opposite. Someone is completely clueless here, alright - but you got completely backward who that is. lol
Eventually ai would be so good these wrapper companies wont exist. Just one company with the best ai. And people making their own wrappers with that ai. Were a long time away though
This won't happen. Any 'megacorp' company will be under tremendous antitrust/regulatory pressure. It's likely going to be a race-to-the-bottom in terms of cost/token and good enough output.
People and laws cant accommodate the rapid pace of change that takes place now. I see no future in which they'll manage to properly regulate anything when the rate of change is increased even more. This fact is doubled by esch country working on its own agenda to beat others. Regulation will be thrown aside until the risk is so catastrophic it must be addressed prior. Even the. Someone will do it and hope for the best
Unless the economy dramatically changes, which genai tools simply will not be able to facilitate, it will still be a capitalistic world order. Intervention at the extremes, whether that's legal or extralegal, is the name of the game.
The change is slowing, we're near the top of the S-curve. Algorithmic advances moves far slower than scaling.
Please see a shrink, a real one.
Open source models will get good enough and they’re free. All the company needs to do is host it locally or on their own instances for a fraction of the cost.
Coding hasn’t changed in years, I don’t think you need your LLM to be constantly updated with new code which is most likely going to be AI slop anyway.
An average person doesn't know about open source. It's all about convenience. Pirating music isn't hard but Spotify provides convenience.
Open Source models are decent now and cost like 90% less than closed source.
Thats way cheaper than hiring a software engineer