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What is WRONG with some men? Is this what dating is like nowadays?(self.TwoXChromosomes)
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So I (41F) recently started getting back into the dating scene after being with my husband for 13 ye...

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[–]blbd1899 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Given a mark was left I would consider filing a report. 

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[–]UniversityNo2318Am I a Gilmore Girl yet?655 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Was just thinking that. That’s battery! 

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[–]SniffMisty147 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Exactly. There’s no excuse for something like that and it blows my mind how many people would just brush it off. That’s battery, plain and simple. She had every right to be upset and walk away immediately

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[–]TommyRibena-45 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

“Yeah I had his dick in my mouth and slapped me”

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[–]UniversityNo2318Am I a Gilmore Girl yet?30 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Sorry what’s your point? That you can slap someone if they’re sucking your dick? That doesn’t change anything, it’s still battery 

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[–][deleted]20 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

He’s not allowed to slap her face. Correct.

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[–]Oldgal_misspt233 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Exactly this. It is battery and his ass needs to learn this behavior is NEVER acceptable.

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[–]taxilicious194 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Yep 100%. This was a crime.

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[–]rebel8091158 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

if there’s a visible mark and it was unprovoked, that’s assault, period. Filing a report would at least put it on record dude clearly crossed a huge line. Dating’s wild these days, but consent isn’t optional

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[–]Snefferdy68 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

A report isn't about pressing charges, it's about recording a history of behaviour so that, when he does something to someone else, the future charges are credible. Also, the prosecution could ask for testimony to help with a future case.

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[–]hackoff11 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

I'm going to guess that you haven't actually been inside of a police station and reported something like this...

That is just simply NOT how the judicial system works in America. That all sounds like how it should work, and I do not disagree on that. Sadly though, I'm talking about how the system does work. There is a difference.

IF it was reported (and I'm going to just say, sure, they absolutely created a report for it which isn't always the case) and there were no charges brought against the person, the accusation would NOT factor into a future case. In fact the judge would say "this incident was already reported, and they chose to not press charges so it cannot be used in this case. It has already been evaluated before and would be unduly prejudicial."

What do I know though....it's almost like I've done this several times BEFORE. 🤔 🧐

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[–]Snefferdy10 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

I'm talking about charges that are pressed against him if he, say, murders someone while sexually assaulting them in the future. If they had 10 past reports of sexual assault, those reports would be used to show a history of the behaviour.

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[–]hackoff6 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Nope. Sorry. That's what tv has taught us, but it's just not true. If they have 10 part CONVICTIONS of either of those things, yes, then it could be used in court. However, anyone can just walk into a police station and claim anything they want. Unless there is an actual trial which means that charges we're pressed, then they have no factual merit and are considered irrelevant to the current case.

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[–]hackoff5 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

10 PRIOR convictions. Typo, my apology there.

And again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be reported. I'm explaining how the court/police respond in cases such as this.

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[–]Snefferdy8 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

People's sworn testimony about a person's typical behaviour is relevant in a case.

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[–]hackoff3 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Oh, just one other note about your comment, and I'm saying these things not to discourage anyone from reporting assaults (I would LOVE to see any abuser convicted because it rarely happens). But this is important for everyone to know:

THE LAW DOES NOT HAVE A METRIC FOR A "PERSONS TYPICAL BEHAVIOR."

Look at Depp v. Heard as a recent example. Her lawyers contended that even though Depp had multiple women testifying that he never assaulted them does not mean that it couldn't have happened to Heard. 2 things can be true, especially in courts.

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[–]hackoff1 point1 month, 4 weeks ago

No, sorry, that isn't true. First, there's no sworn testimony in a report to the police or ER. There's only sworn testimony IF charges are actually pressed. And IF they convict him. If they don't convict him, then the abuser will point to that prior report and say "see? I'm not like that, they're lying."

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[–]KeberUggles6 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

you know what it does though, makes the police think twice before once again dismissing the next person's claims.

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[–]hackoff5 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

If only that were true.... It actually doesn't. Quite the opposite, statistically. Do I like that? No.one of the reasons lm posting all of this information is so that women will get angry over how hard it is to even get any abuse case to be prosecuted. Be angry!!! Protest!!! Vote in EVERY election!!! Run for office!!! Take the Bar and become a lawyer!!! Change the fucking system, because it does not work how people think it does.

I hate this judicial system and how easy it is to manipulate and how rarely does any crime go to trial. Don't even get me started about how overburdened most DA offices are so they routinely make offers of reduced charges and reduced jail time because they don't have the time and/or resources to do the investigation and even if they do, then you have to get a sympathetic jury (which is really harder than you think) or judge (because a defendant can ask for a judge trial over a jury trial) and prove the events beyond a reasonable doubt.

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[–]KeberUggles0 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Statistically, an offender is not affected by having a history of complaints made by different people? Please provide a source for this. I'm aware that statistically odds are not in your favour when you report, but I've never seen anything which relates to more complaints for different victims making zero impact.

There isn't a drawback for OP to report. It doesn't appear recounting her trauma would be detrimental to her mental health, and it builds a paper trail, and with any luck, scares this loser shit-less into pursuing consent next time.

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[–]hackoff6 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

For every 1,000 sexual assaults, about 310 are reported, leading to approximately 50 arrests, and only 28 result in a felony conviction, with just 25 perpetrators being sentenced to incarceration. Therefore, the conviction rate is very low, at about 2.5% of all sexual assaults and less than 7% of reported cases.

However, a large percentage of cases (sometimes over half) are categorized by police as "unfounded" (meaning the investigation could not prove the crime occurred or definitively prove/disprove the allegation), leading some to argue the "unfounded" rate is higher, closer to 20-40%.

Again, reporting does not equal a paper trail in our current system. I fucking hate it. Everyone should be as pissed about it as I am! For every one of me there is, there's another Murdaugh family covering up their crimes. We need EVERYONE to get pissed about it

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[–]hackoff4 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Oh, I forgot to also say, police do not decide if someone is charged. That is 100% the DA's office. Police have ZERO input on that decision.

Again, get the fuckers who are out there making this system! What happened with Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh?

Exactly.....

Hell the president was elected in the US TWICE even after admitting he assaults women and 1 of those times was after he had been found accountable for sexual assault in a trial.

This is just reality. Saying it isn't this way does not help fix it. Talking about how broken it is and getting people motivated to change it is what we need to do.

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[–]530SSState4 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

For all OP knows to the contrary, her date might have a dozen complaints pending against him for this exact thing.

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[–]castille3609 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Not when she has a visible injury on her face.

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[–]hackoff4 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

I'm going to ask you the same question I did with the other person.... Have you actually ever been to a police station (or even over the phone) and tried to report something like this?

They will not prosecute a case like this, especially given that she assaulted him back. I love that she slapped him, and while it sounds like it should be enough that she has a mark on her, it just isn't. There's zero proof on how she sustained the injury. No one else witnessed it, there's no video proof of it happening. It would absolutely be a he/she said and no charges will come from it.

I was in a precinct when a police officer took my report, which I had proof of and witnesses, and said that they're not going to investigate it. He said I should go and do the exact same thing my stalker did to me. Flat out told me to commit a serious crime while my witness was standing next to me.

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[–]castille3605 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Your police departments are going to vary. But I dispatch for several and called to the scene of an assault, no visible injuries is going to get you instructions for contacting the commissioner, visible injuries are going to get someone arrested. Making a report after the fact is going to go much as you said.

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[–]hackoff3 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Right, and considering that OP stated she left freely, he didn't follow her, didn't harass her any further because she blocked him, she admitted this is all after the fact.

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[–]digiorno6 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Cops failing to do their job is no reason to not make the effort. Such rhetoric just discourages people from standing up for themselves.

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[–]hackoff1 point1 month, 4 weeks ago

It really, really does not. It sounds like she sure as hell DID stand up for herself, and that is fucking badass. What discourages more people from reporting is that the cases don't get investigated and if they do, it's extremely rare for charges to be pressed and even rarer for an abuser to be convicted and serve time. If we fix that then reporting rates would go up and more people would be legally held responsible.

I absolutely believe OP. She was assaulted. I reported being assaulted in the States. Absolute crickets.

Low conviction rate: A vanishingly small number of rapes end in conviction. Data from various sources indicates that for every 1,000 sexual assaults, about 25 to 28 perpetrators are sentenced to incarceration.

This means nearly 98% of perpetrators are never held fully accountable through the criminal justice system.

Conviction rate of reported cases: For cases that are reported to the police, the rate of conviction is low. An NBC News investigation of eight major U.S. cities found that less than 4% of reported sex crimes resulted in a conviction. Other reports suggest only 5 out of every 1,000 rapes committed ends in a felony conviction (0.5%).

Conviction rates at trial: When cases do go to trial, the conviction rate is higher. Research from the UK found a jury conviction rate for rape charges averaging 58% between 2007 and 2021. In the U.S. federal court system, one source noted that 10.1% of sexual abuse offenders were convicted at trial.

If it was as simple as just more reports need to be submitted, that'd be easier to fix. Just look at the UK vs US. In the US you are far less likely to get a conviction. It's not a difference in reporting, it's a difference in legal systems.

Like I posted earlier just look at Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh and Donald Trump. Look at the entertainment industry. People knew about Weinstein for a decade, same with Ellen, same with James Cordon, same with Cosby. It wasn't the justice system that held any of them accountable, it was the public outrage. CHANGE the system. Don't rely on just hoping the cop you report it to is a good one. And again, they don't decide if charges are filed.

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[–]Witch-Aliceb u t t s36 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

100%, this sort of behavior isn't a one off thing. It's a way these predators test their victims early on, as opposed to a slow burn manipulation type deal.

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[–]Winter_Apartment_37629 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

I would absolutely file a report.

If police start discouraging from filing - insist. Also put on record that you had to self defend against him, otherwise he might have continued.

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[–]Yucai0111 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Please do the report! Hopefully police get involved and stop this guy from acting like this again! This is terrifying to read. I’m newly single and am dreading the dating world

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[–]AuntySocialite10 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Absolutely, and if his STARTING move was a slap hard enough to leave a contusion, what would he have escalated to?

What HAS he escalated to, with other women?

He needs to be stopped, now.

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[–]Beatrix_0000-13 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

Sure, but the response was not self-defence, it's retaliation, which is also assault. I learnt this one the hard way.

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[–]AuntySocialite4 points1 month, 4 weeks ago

The fuck it is.

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