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Weaponized reporting: what we’re seeing and what we’re doing(self.ModSupport)
Hey all,
We wanted to follow up on [last week’s post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/...
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On my mod team there is one mod who tells the unvarnished truth and keeps my impulses in check. That person is highly valuable to the team for obvious reasons.
Companies like reddit should employ such a person whose job description would include thinking only about the ways new tools and features could be abused so that precautions and preventions can be integrated.
It doesn't appear to be that way in reddit's case.
In this case a simple on/off switch per subreddit could have mitigated this issue.
I need to know who you’re talking about 😂
You don't know?
Ok sure, but no one's forcing you to do it.
> Ok sure, but no one's forcing you to do it.
Not that I'm siding with the other guy who replied to you, but this kind of logic is intellectually lazy. Some of us have spent over a decade building and maintaining our beloved communities. There's an investment of time and effort -- to just up and quit because you disagree with how the admins run things is ridiculous. Nor is it realistic.
I'm not advocating quitting. I'm talking about continuing to complain about things that reddit will never change.
He said, can we get an
This is an unreasonable request.
Reddit is not allowed to treat mods any different than common users in this way because they could be sued just like AOL was sued.
I accept the framework that reddit provides and I know what things they may be willing to update and which things they won't
Continuing to demand things that they absolutely will never provide is the true intellectual laziness.
Edit: Furthermore, instead of addressing my point, he switched to an ultra bad faith argument of 'well what about sanctuary cities?"
Hmm, unlikely but not entirely impossible. I personally don't care about the ads. But I can see several ways of doing it without crossing over into AOL territory. For starters, what about turning it off only in communities you moderate? Moderators are regular users but regular users can also become mods any time they wish. Any user can create his or her own subreddit. Having an ad-free version of your own subreddit removes clutter and can make moderation duties easier (I actually prefer the ads, since I do a lot of CSS work, I need to see what the regular user sees in order to design correctly).
Another way would be to give alternative (non-cash/payment) methods of obtaining reddit gold/silver. I know some websites used to have people do surveys or watch ads in exchange for site credit. You would then use that credit to buy a month of reddit gold. Moderators that really needed to remove the ads for whatever reason could spend the 10-20 minutes a month doing the surveys or watching the ads. Obviously this would be open to anyone/everyone.
I can think of a few more ways but I don't want this to be a wall of text. It should be noted that AOL literally required their mods to file timecards for their shifts, required 4 hours a week minimum, etc etc -- it was basically an unpaid job. Giving moderators an ad-free experience is a far cry from that (not that I want that particular perk).
Yeah, he kinda went off the rails there. I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean.
My only complaint regarding the admins in my 12+ years here is consistency -- I believe that rules need to be concise, clear and above all, consistent. When communities are smaller, you have the luxury of going on a case by case basis. Reddit is now the 5th largest website in the U.S, it no longer has that luxury. Literally (not figuratively) half of their problems would vanish overnight if they would create blanket rules and enforce them consistently. Though now I'm starting to think that approach would jeopardize quite a few people's job security so perhaps that's why they do things the way they do.
I agree with your points on consistency. My whole thing is that everyone already knows all of this so you either accept it or you move on. Railing about it in comments in r/ModSupport accomplishes nothing.
Best wishes to you 11/3/20
Also : I didn’t get the chance to read the article you posted - is anyone forcing those under 18 workers to work past midnight or work 48 hours? Where are their parents?
The two things are not analagous. Modding is a volunteer position, the Chipotle case is a job which is governed by federal labor laws.
There are no federal labor laws regarding volunteer moderating that I'm aware of except that reddit cannot treat mods the way that AOL was doing when they were sued.
I am aware that reddit doesn't always provide the best tools or support for their mods. But I work within the framework they provide and I accept it for what it is. If I was as upset with them as you seem to be in your first reply to me, I would just demod myself from all my subs and find another site to hang out on.
There is no legal contract governing the amount of hours or the schedule for reddit moderation like there are in employment contracts.
I’m sorry you don’t understand what laws are. Have a good day.