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Zionist NonsenseThe Jewish Sub is Big Mad(i.redd.it)
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Apparently Danya is super fringe and crazy. 🙃
I know someone said they wanted the sub to cut back...
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I always wondered why that sub is way more…hysterical about their Zionism compared to other Jewish subs like r/judaism? Every other post on r/jewish is someone feeling victimized over very mundane things.
From my experience people who are just culturally Jewish and not religiously Jewish seemingly tend to be MORE Zionist
Most of the religious Jews I talk to are 2SS or “let’s stop fighting Gaza” at the very least where as people who are just culturally Jewish tend to be the “eradicate Gaza” types, this makes me think they feel they have to prove their just as Jewish as everyone else (they are) by being super Zionist
Jewish Currents had an interesting podcast episode early on in the genocide and it was ostensibly about younger progressive Jews turning towards religion and how jarring that was for older leftist Jews who were fiercely secular. They don’t address it directly but the impression I was left with was that many younger secular American Jews were raised with Israel as the core of their Jewish identity and once that was removed, religion gave them something in which to root themselves and their Jewishness.
Whereas for the older folks, their Jewishness was grounded in what was at the time a very prevalent tradition of Jewish socialism/communism.
Could you explain the last 2 lines plz?
I mean, I'm a Muslim and have always known this, mostly because as we recognize the religious legitimacy of the people of the holy scriptures, some of us are interested in what those scriptures are. And from what I've read up on, nothing within Judaism justifies, excuses, enables, or promotes anything that even remotely resembles what the secular Zionists are doing. It's the opposite. So one has to be detached from the Jewish origins, maybe even despise it, to consciously do what the far-right Zionists in Israel are doing at the moment.
You can find Zionism heavily instilled in both secular and religious Jewish institutions. I think it’s most accurate to state that Torah and the Jewish religion neither justifies or opposes Zionism. Because Zionism is a modern secular political ideology, based on the concept of the nation-state which only came about in the 19th century. So this is not relevant to Judaism to begin with.
But this is just my take. Anti-Zionist Haredi Jews will say I’m wrong because Torah specifically only permits Jewish rule in Eretz Yisrael when the messiah has returned. And religious Zionists will say I’m wrong because Zionism is actually a tool used by HaShem to usher in the messiah, and that the Zionist state allows for Jews to commit to the religious practices that can only be performed in the land that was once ancient Israel.
I believe you.
Thanks :)
This is also true for perceptions of antiSemitism. Religious Jews, who are far more likely to be the targets of antisemitism, typically express less concern and fixation on antisemitism than secular Jews.
When you stray from Torah and religious tradition, it’s much more difficult to make sense of Jewish identity. So you grab on to other belief systems that contain some connection to Jewishness. Sometimes for better, and sometimes for worse
They’re freaking out over Ms. Rachel at the moment. I genuinely can’t.
The sanctimonious hatred of Ms Rachel like she’s some naive victim of KKKHAMAS propaganda is truly something to behold.
Ms. Rachel has done nothing but advocate for kids being murdered and starved. If she suddenly reverted and started saying death to the Jews or did some kind of Huda Kattan video, okay—but she’s pretty tame. She’s even talked about the Bibas boys, but that wasn’t enough for these freaks.
I also wish we'd move on from the Huda video. It was ridiculous, but as someone who is both Arab and Jew, I can absolutely tell you equally ridiculous bigotry gets spewed by equally prominent voices about Arabs every day, and people barely blink. The video was taken down, Huda got a ton of backlash, it's more than enough.
She’s so clearly just a lovely and compassionate person— it’s really exhausting and quite sad seeing so many people act like she’s literally some propagandist stooge that will convert their 1 year old into an antizionist 😂😂 The requests for pro-Israel child content creator suggestions in the comment sections of those posts are astounding
The fact that they can't conceive of her caring about Palestinian children unless she were being paid by Hamas is very disturbing.
"There's a sweet lady loving children again! Danger! Danger!"
Hide your kids! They may learn tolerance and compassion towards.... wait for it.... Other Kids!
The Ms Rachel shenanigans are beyond belief.
it’s giving (Zionist) liberal central in that mf.
I'm surprised they didn't go nuts over Superman caring about Palestinian kids, but r/Israel really did.
They probably demand a sequel where Gal Gadot (aka Apartheid Barbie) fights against Kal-El on mount Meggido (yes, that is literally the source for the word Armageddon. Har in Hebrew means mountain).
I find their tone tends to be more mopey self-pity, rather than sectarian fury
r/Judaism is marginally better, becouse they are more interested in religion and thus there are more posts that have nothing to do with Israel. The mods are also less ban-happy, and remove a lot of rage-based posts, but when there is a post about Israel, the opinions there are similar to r/Jewish
Because it’s about Judaism as an identity as opposed to scripture, tradition and spirituality.
Both sub's disdain for Palestinians and Muslims in general is so overtly blatant