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I’d reckon most players don’t need to check a map every five seconds once they actually know the layout, and that’s kind of the point.
And “everyone uses discord” is a pretty stupid argument.
“Might as well let dead people talk in Phasmophobia/Lethal Company because they’re gonna ghost in discord anyways”
Or we just let the people who want to have the intended experience do what they want and everyone else can stop crying about having to look up a wiki.
And so much of it is just whiny bullshit. Old adventure games and RPGs had countless inscrutable mechanics or ways you could soft-lock yourself if you made the wrong choice and there was no strategy guide, fan-made wiki, or subreddit for people to look up the correct solution.
Not everyone wants every game to hold your hand and wipe for you.
Phasmophobia/Lethal Company aren't PvP and half the fun is sticking to the "rules" even if nobody forces you to.
Not being in discord in a PvP game when playing with teammates is actively shooting yourself in the foot, not having a map open when learning maps is stupid, not consulting ammo websites when you don't know them is stupid, blindly trying to resolve what the fuck the shoddily written and translated quest texts mean while getting shot at by players instead of having the wiki open is stupid.
Literally nobody is doing this, only some dipshits like you jack off to the "intended experience". I know you learned the maps by looking them up online, you looked up the ammos, you looked up the quests. Like literally everyfuckingbody else. Don't pretend you haven't lmao
This doesn't mean I want a minimap implemented or some immersion-breaking shit. But usable interactable ingame maps instead of the worthless ones we have? Spectating your teammates when dead? Ammo stats? Non-dogshit quest text?
There is a gulf of QoL they can do between immersion and handholding, but don't let nuance hit your brain anytime soon
The guy who hasn’t looked up anything but has played thousands of hours still sucks, is broke, and only uses the same extract he happened to stumble across a few years ago.
Oof, thanks for the reminder to stay off Reddit. Happy new year!
You're delusional if you think this game would even exist without 3rd party help. Players would literally never find the folder in the railcar without a wiki or YouTube videos explaining it.
The game is absolute nonsense without 3rd party resources and BSG have just gotten complacent and now rely on them to guide players through tasks.
Some of the tasks are so fucking convoluted that 99.999% of players would absolutely never complete them. The lightkeeper tasks? You think ANYBODY would get that done without some help? Cmon...
The problem isn’t people who already know how to play the game needing to have their hand held, it’s newer people who basically are forced to have either a friend or the wiki teach them the game, because the game doesn’t teach you a damn thing.
older games certainly had their fair share of soft locks and confusing game mechanics, but I’ve never had to consult with a veteran player or guide to learn the basics, which I had to do for tarkov.
Tarkov can be brutal and hard without being so poorly explained. Maybe show the actually useful stats? Or maybe have some sort of way for newer players to learn extracts easier without having to just wander the map looking for something that may look like one of their extracts.
I 100% agree with this, especially the last part. As someone who doesn't know any of the maps I can't tell you how many times I just go to a place that "looks like an extract" and just hope the little countdown in the corner pops up.
Yesterday I tried ground zero for the first time and while walking through a staircase I randomly stumbled upon an extract.
I had this game since 2021 and I always stop playing it after a few days because I feel like I just can't compete and I also don't feel like doing a weeks worth of university level research just to know where the damn extract is on the map and which bullet gives me the best chance of doing 1 point of damage to a geared up chad that will one tap me on sight. This game is so insanely unfriendly to casual and new players.
Yeah no lol this aint "hand holding" this is just basic mechanics explaining that even "back in the day" would be necessary, and games without it played like shit unless someone else told you about it