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All of this assumes a fixed set of standards for two people to be attracted to one another, when this is not the case. Sure, the vast majority of people subscribe to the body of these standards, but there's so much grey area for people to find connection and attraction that seems to be left out of your thinking here. Far too much emphasis is placed on these standards, predominantly by people misrepresenting women. Hence this sub.
Maybe for you, but I think with a little more than my penis when choosing partners. Most people do. Trying to intellectualise a total dehumanization of people to their base biology fundamentally ignores the rest of the mind. You have no basis for calling abstract thought "fairytale", and physical attraction is only part of what attracts one person to another.
Seriously, this is so slimey a use of intellectualism.
Massive projection to see the emergent property of abstract thought from a physical brain as "fairytale" and then tell me I won't budge when presented with evidence or logic (of which you have supplied none... but you did say that you did, which is basically the same!)
You just broke up my sentence and then said it didn't make sense. At least be convincing if you're gonna pretend to be an authority on the matter.
Additionally, none of these sources dispute what I said, which is another tell that you don't actually know what you're talking about. Just keep scraping the barrel, man.
I think you have the right of it, but not completely. Men feel romantic loneliness differently from platonic loneliness because it has a couple layers attached to it: failing to live up to being a man (esteem), failing to live up to being a man (identity), and lacking the one relationship where you're supposed to be able to talk about your feelings (lol, but in a sad way).
This is very much a gender expectations issue, an issue of society rather than men (or women, obviously) in terms of blame. But men are nonetheless pressured in this way at all levels. Attraction is just one relevant aspect, as it places a higher/lower difficulty on the romantic relationship and on esteem. But I think you're right that a huge part of the problem is a broader social decline of community and shared purpose, particularly for men in their platonic relationships (though far from exclusively).
Much of the difference between genders stems from the enculturation of men interacting with the decline in opportunities. I find platonic relationships far, far easier in shared physical spaces, and outside of them, I struggle to go out of my way to plan group activities, particularly when money and time are in short supply and with friends moving everywhere for jobs. I think there's a personality and behavior difference here, given the current condition of society, such that women are more likely to do what's required for relationships to work well where men do not (and this snowballs). You might notice this is also an issue romantically, lol. It affects women a great deal, as I think you were saying. And if men are struggling in one type of relationship, it affects the other.
Please note that I'm not using the typical "blame" paradigm here. Just speaking of behavior... and all behavior is caused. People can't simply start doing all the good behaviors, so to speak. If they could, they would be already, and therapy can only shift so much inertia. Plus, it's not like they have a crew to guide them along. Instead, the environment (in the broadest sense) needs to be made conducive to the behaviors people need. Or at least we should slow the steady decline in environmental quality...
Unfortunately, we're setting ourselves up to make this and all related issues far worse over the next generation. Much of the fundamental environmental problem is economic in nature, with labor power dropping generation by generation, issues like the decline of third spaces, and a variety of knock-on effects. Subs like this one will probably get more common, and the form of radicalization it often hints at will only contribute to the social problems that cause it. Both for the individuals involved and in society more broadly. I don't have a solution that's going to be embraced enough to matter. We just can't blame women. And we can't blame men. The problem has a larger scope.
The first paragraph alludes to a disagreement with me, but the rest seems to move on to furthering your opinion on the matter. I'd say that the trials of manhood are not unique to men, and that society also imposes standards that affect esteem and identity. What about what I said disagreed with you?
Romantic loneliness would still be an issue even if platonic were somehow addressed directly. I would agree they share some causes and interact. But there's more there.
As for your comment above: It's not about being unique to men, it's a matter of differing on average. Identity aspects of gender absolutely differ by...well, by gender. Bimodal and thus overlapping but nevertheless leaning one direction heavily. Likewise for many trials of women, so to speak. The entire premise, "male loneliness epidemic," is not a universal but a tendency. Women suffer from the same factors, but it doesn't have the same results on average.
But this isn't engaging with OP's comment, which was to do with the quality of difference (despite the fact their only "evidence" for the claim was quantitative).
Oh, I probably disagree more with them. They chalked it up to attraction alone. And then were arguing that men are biologically distinct in terms of needing a romantic partner. I provided an entirely different argument for why there would be a qualitative difference in the experience of loneliness when lacking a romantic partner.
Seems we're aligned.
You don't talk about your feelings with your friends?
I feel like you didn't read very much of that.
But sure. Not as often as I should. And not as much as my wife does. And the behaviors are supported differently. (But don't get distracted by anecdote.)
I'm just taking it one bit at a time. To be honest, I find it bad etiquette to post lengthy comments if they vastly exceed the norm of previous ones, and typically then ask to move to DMs.
Ah, sorry. I never noticed that.
You're fine.